Digital library (interview) RAI Educational

Peter Schønning

Rome, 22/04/96

"Laws for a Net without territorial limits"

SUMMARY:

  • Schonning believes that the law in the country of reception should prevail as regards copyright of materials on the Internet. Otherwise people could operate out of so-called copyright havens and avoid all control (1).
  • In the information society it is even more important to have proper copyright protection of authors and other rights owners because it is the authors that provide the contents of the networks (2).
  • Both government and right owners want what is imported into their country to be controlled (3).
  • It is not the first time that the lawmakers have been faced with issues arising from technological development. It may be difficult, but solutions can be found (4).
  • Schonning believes that there will eventually be global harmonisation of copyright laws, although it may take many years, since there are still many countries with no proper copyright protection (5).
  • Soon it will become extremely easy to surf the Internet and on that day you will have music and video on demand. It will be an alternative to television and radio but people will still sometimes choose to be passive in front of the television or radio (6).

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INTERVIEW:

Question 1
Since the activity on the global network is non-geographical which country’s law applies?

Answer
One of the severe problems with on-line transmission, the Internet, etc. is the problem that these networks don't know any territorial limits. You can have a computer in the United States and computer users from all over the world can visit that computer and download works from that computer. The problem is which law should be applicable. There are two possibilities: the law of origin, that is the law of the country where the computer is, the server; the second alternative is the country of reception, that is the country or countries where the computer users are located. According to GISAC, it is important to safeguard the protection of authors. And in GISAC's view that is only done if we chose the country of reception. Why? This is because there is a risk of so-called delocalisation, that is people can create data bases on servers and put them in countries with no copyright protection or with a very low copyright protection, so-called copyright havens. From these copyright havens they can have data bases to which users can connect and download the works. If it is the law of the country of these copyright havens that should be applicable, then there will be no real copyright protection. It would undermine the whole international copyright protection. So, even if to some people it might appear to be an odd solution to have the country of reception - and not as for instance in satellite broadcast, the country of origin - it is necessary in order to protect authors.

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Question 2
Today there are discussions about the usefulness of the concept of copyright in a world where the digital is growing more and more. What is your opinion?

Answer
My opinion is that in the information society it is getting even more important to have proper copyright protection of authors and other rights owners because it is the authors that provide the contents of the networks, the contents of the data bases. If their work is not protected, there will be no proper content of these data bases, they will not accept their works to be uploaded on these data bases and they will not create new works, if they know beforehand that they don't have proper protection. So, in my view, in order to have a well-functioning information society with well-functioning networks, it is indispensable to have copyright protection on a high level.

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Question 3
What about the moral issues that are involved when we want to protect a local community in a global networking system? In the past there have been cases of Arab countries protesting against messages and music that were created in the United States that offended their local moral standards. What is the future of all this?

Answer
They are two sides of the same problem. Both government and right owners want what is imported into their country to be controlled by rights owners and to some extent by governments. It is a fact. So, of course, different countries have different opinions about what should be allowed concerning censorship, etc., and whatever one's opinion is about that, you must acknowledge that they want to control what is coming into their country. And that is the same problem as the right owners who want to control what is coming to their particular country.

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Question 4
One of the important aspects of copyright laws is the fact that they are reasonable because they can be applied. In the past there was something material that could be seized by the police and perhaps destroyed. With the Internet and digital content this is no longer so. Do you think that the law should change to take this into?

Answer
It is more difficult but I think that it is not the first time that the lawmakers have found issues that are new due to technological development. So it is necessary to have a legislative answer to these new challenges from technology, and it is not impossible. But of course it is getting more and more important that you look at the basic human rights of people, rights of integrity that public authorities cannot come into the houses and look at computers, etc. It is getting more and more complicated. But I'm convinced that solutions can be found. Maybe we don't know them today, but they can be found tomorrow.

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Question 5
Do you see the need for a harmonisation of the different laws in different countries?

Answer
I think it is indeed very feasible to have global harmonisation of the copyright laws. If it shall be the country of origin that should prevail, that should be the applicable law, then it is indispensable to have a thorough global harmonisation of the copyright laws. And it means that all countries in the world must have a proper copyright protection. I fear it may take many, many years to come to that. There are still many countries with no proper copyright protection. Many countries are outside the Berne Convention, unfortunately, but one can hope in a few decades that we have a global harmonisation of copyright and that then it will be possible to say that it shall be the country of origin that should be the applicable law, it shall be country where the server is located.

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Question 6
Do you think that the Internet will eventually challenge television and all the other media or do you see Internet as a low level, low technology interactive arena?

Answer
Today, of course, the Internet is a kind of low level technology because it sometimes seems in the Stone Age when you have to travel through the Internet, but no doubt in a very few years it will become extremely easy to surf on the Internet and on that day you will have music and video on demand. It would be an alternative to television and radio. I don't think that radio and television will be superfluous. I think that people want both choices. They want the passive choice of viewing television programs, listening to the radio and they want to be more active, to contact an interactive medium such as Internet and other networks.

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