Digital library (interview) RAI Educational

Gene Stephens

Chicago,  21/07/98

"Technology against crime?"

SUMMARY:

  • There are a number of new and emerging technologies which will have a significant impact on the control of violence: devices that can spy through walls, others that see through clothing, implants that "sober up" people under the influence of alcohol or drugs, satellite surveillance, "ubiquitous computing", DNA bar-codes, robot prison officers, space prisons. Research is also being carried out into forcing people to recall events, into artificial ageing, suspended animation, subliminal conditioning, biomedical control and "mind tapping". The ultimate control technology would be using genetic engineering to clone the non-criminal type (1).
  • The use of these technologies would make us "safer", but at a cost to the quality of life (2).
  • The greatest risk is obviously to our privacy. There is also the danger of treating people as members of a herd to be controlled, rather than as individuals. We would have to give up a lot of the things that make life worth living in exchange for the end to violence (3).
  • We need to stop thinking of crime as the problem of a few bad people, and think of it as a problem in relating with each other. We need to learn to live in communities again and to be tolerant of each other. This means moving from a " war paradigm" to a "peace paradigm". People want to live in a peaceful neighbourhood, not in a war zone. That means taking a completely different approach, such as community policing. Surveillance should be limited to public places (4).
  • Stephens belongs to a group called Police Futurists International, which brings together police officers and researchers from around the world, and argues that the crime problem is a community problem, not a state or a government problem. We must get away from the war model, the idea that professionals enforce the law against all comers and assess the real problems of the community. We have to create a community in many cases. The alternative is a kind of "Brave New World" (5).
  • Many people have a great stake in the war model. They have used it for years, and have lived by raising fears in the public. The fear of crime is as big a problem as crime in many areas, because people are afraid to go outside and interact with other people. When a crime occurs, we ought to make restitution to the individual and to the community, and then try to reconcile the offender and the community. This is not a rehabilitation model, putting the emphasis on how to change the offender. This model says the offender must pay, through restitution, but then the offender needs to be helped to move back into the community (6).

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INTERVIEW:

Question 1
Your research involves the means to end violence by use of technology. Can we really do that, and how?

Answer
We can do that: we have some technologies that are completely new, and some are emerging, which have a lot of impact on violence. For example, we already have devices that see in through walls, so we can listen and zero in on a wall or in a house, yards or even miles away, and tell you what's going on within that room. We have some surveillance technology today that is truly amazing. There is also some new radar technology being developed right now in this country and tested in some airports which is like the Total Recall movie. We can see through your clothes and see anything that is on your body, a knife or whatever, so we can screen you for weaponry without having to remove clothes or search you. We have this in camcorder form now, so a police officer can carry it on the streets and scan the people on the streets for weapons or anything else. There is a modesty problem there because it sees soft tissue as well as weaponry. We also have "sober up" implants that are about to come on the market within the next few years. They sober you up no matter how much you have had to drink. The first oneis for alcohol; if you take this before you drink, you can't get drunk; if you take it after you drink, then you will immediately sober up. It blocks the impact of alcohol in the brain. The same kind of technology can be used for cocaine and heroin and all the other drugs. The reason it is being used for alcohol first is because that is were the big market is. We have more alcoholics than anything else. In the United States, for example, more than half of crimes involve alcohol use. This would obviously be a big hindering factor, particularly in domestic crimes and things like that.

We also have a lot of new kinds of surveillance. For example, there is the global positioning system, where we use satellites to keep track of people. Now we can track people wherever they go by using global positioning. One of the most interesting types of surveillance comes along with ubiquitous computing, where we basically put a microcomputer on your collar, in your house, a7nd one in your car and your office, and can make a total record of your life, from the time you get up to the time you go to bed, and even hear what you say while you sleep. Basically we have a lot of ways to go about this, people will probably buy into ubiquitous computing because it will make them more efficient, more effective, so that they have a total record of everything they have done, and this will be put into a format that they can recall it at any time. The problem is that if you have the police getting wire taps, or things like these, then they will be able to have a total record of that person's life. The United States military can now put your DNA bar-code on the record. Now a lot of day-care requires DNA bar codes, a lot of elderly centers require a bar code. I believe that within the next five to ten years the DNA bar codes will be omnipresent in our country and probably in many other countries in the world. Then we will have the capability to have universal dossiers, that is to say, we can take this information from ubiquitous computing and make a dossier of everything about your life, from your health day care to your criminal record, to your educational record to your psychological problems. So we actually have the ability to have universal dossiers of almost everything in your life. We call that intelligence information in the law enforcement area.

There is a lot of research going on, particularly at McGill University in Toronto, on memory. They have discovered that all the important events in your life are on a kind of videotape in your brain. From that videotape we can force you, by putting sensors on some parts of the brain, to recall the event. For example, if you were a bank robber or a rapist, we might force you to recall that. This of course would be a heck of an investigative tool.

We have a lot of other things. In our country we really think that criminals just bad people. If we got rid of the bad people then the world would be a wonderful place to live. As long as we have that attitude, then we are willing to use a lot of our technology. For example, one of the things is artificial ageing. Pretty soon, we are going to discover the genetic causes of ageing, and as we do that we'll be able to live longer but we'll also be able to force people to age. Most violent criminals are violent in their teen years, in their twenties and thirties and early forties. By the time they are 45 most of them calm down, their bodily fluids change. So we could take a 25 year old who has committed a violent crime and age him by twenty years without the need of imprisoning him, because he wouldn't be a problem any more. If we really wanted to take all the criminals off the streets - which we are certainly not going to do because nobody's able to do that - we could use various forms of suspending their animation - we suspend animation in dogs already. We could stack people up and not have to keep them, feed them and let them go. Space prisons on asteroids, undersea prisons where we would grow seaweed and other kinds of aqua-culture, these are all possible in the next ten years.

We could also have robot prison officers, particularly now that we have artificial intelligence to run these robots. They would be cheap and easy to use. We already use electronic surveillance in our country. We take people who are on probation parole, people who are in community-based programs, and put them on electronic monitors. Usually now these are wrist bracelets or ankle bracelets, but in the future we will be able to have implants in the body like birth control implants. We already have situations where a woman, for example put her baby into a trashcan. She agreed to have a five-year birth control implant in exchange for not going to prison and simply being in the community under supervision. You can force people to accept an implant, or go to prison. So one of the things that we might want to do here is to have electroshock through the implant, so these people who have been fooling round, if they don't stay where they are supposed to, go to work, to school and back home, they go out of the territory, then they get automatically electroshocked until they go back in their territory. This is a free will situation: you don't get shocked unless you leave your territory; at the same time, we don't have to spend a lot of money to get you if you do leave your territory. So that's another possibility of solving the violence problem.There are at least three more ways. Subliminal conditioning is another one; we have mixed research on subliminal conditioning; we know that subliminal conditioning does impact some people at least, we don't know if it is universal or not, but we do know that these subliminal sound and light shows can get some people to do what you want them to do. One of the things we thought of was a subliminal implant, which puts a message on a rotating basis inside the head, saying: do the right thing, do as you're told, obey the law, be a good citizen, over and over and over again until you cannot think about doing anything else. When would we do this? Would we do this when somebody commits a first violent crime, or a second violent crime, or would we do it when somebody has a propensity to violence, or just do it universally, so we don't have to worry about it?Another possibility is biomedical control. If you have a lot of serotonin in your blood stream then you are a calm, cool, collected person. If you don't have much serotonin in your blood you are aggressive, hyperactive, a threat to the community much of the time. We can now create implants which drip different kinds of chemicals into your bloodstream to keep you calm, cool, and collected at all times. We could also use telepathy; we are now running computers with brain waves, or flying aeroplanes with brain waves, so obviously brain waves are out there, so we could read those brain waves, we could make it against the law even to think about committing a crime, by reading the brain waves. We could also use organic memory chips. We are going to use organic memory chips in the next ten years, that is to say, we are going to have nano-computer memory chips, which store tremendous amounts of information. You could look into your neural system and just think about it and collect your information. For police officers this is a real boom because they could have all the criminal records on their files in their head, walk down in the streets, see somebody who looks suspicious, run through their files in their brains and say, there's one who has to be arrested and arrest him. A lot of people would be using this because it would make them more efficient at work, because if you had all this memory right at your "braintips", so to speak, then you'd be more efficient.And then you have another interesting way of stopping violence which I call mind tapping, which is to say hacking into the computers in people's brains. Hackers have always been successful at hacking into any kind of system we have ever set up in the computer world, so here you could have police officers actually who do this as their job, to hack and check out and see if anybody's got material stored on how to make a bomb. Probably the ultimate of these types of technology is genetic engineering itself. We can splice a gene, alter a gene, delete a gene, insert a gene, and basically make a person with whatever kind of characteristics we want. So we could find the non-criminal type and clone it. If that is what we really wanted to do, we could have a totally violence-free society.

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Question 2
Will this use of technology really make us safer?

Answer
It depends on how you define "safer". If you define safer by "nobody is going to hit me or shoot me", yes, we can do that. If you define safer as having a good quality of life, feeling comfortable in my community, and feeling that I am in harmony with my fellow men, obviously those things have to be given up for this.

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Question 3
In your work you claim that we can end violence, but you also question if we should. Does this mean that there are some serious risks associated with these uses of technology?

Answer
Of the three biggest problems that I have identified one is the loss of privacy. There could be no privacy in this world, when people can see you through walls, when they can have a record of everything you say, when they can read your mind, when they can even tap into the computerized implants in your brain. I think privacy is one of the things we would have to give up, and some people would not mind that, but I always ask people if there is any thought they have ever had that they would not want to share with the world? And most people have some thoughts they would not want to share. The second thing I think is that the Nazis would have loved to have this kind of technology. I think they would have been able to succeed where they almost succeeded anyway, with the ease of this kind of technology. And the third problem I think is dehumanization, treating people not as individuals but as members of the herd, to be controlled, not to be respected for individual rights or for their own humanity. I think we have to give up a lot of the things that make life worth living in exchange for this end to the threat of violence.

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Question 4
Should emerging high technology be used at all to fight crime and violence in the future, in your opinion?

Answer
Yes, I think so. In our country we have a charter of human rights, declarations of the United Nations, we have the US constitution, and if somebody is involved in criminal activity, then we can seek permission to use technology, such as wire taps, surveillance technologies, and I think that that is the reason for the use of technology. I do not think that scanning the general population with cameras, or with telepathy is a rightful use of the technology. Another big thing is cell phones. If you own a cell phone, if you assume you have privacy, then you are making a false assumption: you have no privacy on a cell phone. Just about anybody can interrupt, can get a call off the cell phone, they can also clone your phone for other people to use and their calls end up on your bill. So there are various areas where technology is making it very difficult to protect privacy. My biggest fear for the future is that we may not be able to protect privacy. We certainly cannot protect privacy technologically, that is to say, we don't have the technology to overcome the technology invading privacy, we do not know how to stop the invasion of privacy. So I think in that area it is going to take a change in values, and that is a hard thing to do, particularly in our country where we like to have the freedom to do anything we want, and it is very hard for us to restrain ourselves.

So, I think it's going to take a change in the paradigm, and that is what I would talk about briefly. We need to stop thinking of crime as the problem of a few people in a mean world, and think of crime as a problem in relating with each other that involves all of us. I have my students in my criminology class write a paper called "My Life of Crime". Every student in the class has to write the paper, and I have never had a student that has not admitted to at least one crime. So when I go into groups and ask them, how many of you in this group believe somebody has committed a crime against you sometime in your life, hands go up. Then I ask how many of them think they have done some criminal harm to somebody else sometime in their lives, and all the hands go back up. So we find that the crime problem is not a few mean people, everybody is involved at one time or another in the crime problem, but some people get more deeply involved. Part of the reason that people get more deeply involved is because of the kinds of problem they live in or the kinds of reactions they get cause a further involvement. Obviously, if we don't trust them, then they are not going to have any reason to turn away from the things they are doing, but just try to get better at it. So instead of thinking of the world as mean people who have to be controlled by hard technology, we should start to think that we live in communities together, we do not all think alike, we may look different, we may have different customs, different religions, different ways of living, but what we have to do is learn how to cope with each other, we have to learn to be more tolerant with each other. Tolerance is a tough thing in this world, we are not very tolerant a lot of the time.

Another thing is what I call moving to a peace paradigm from a war paradigm. We have always thought we had to have war on crime, war on drugs, that's how we would stop the problem. But the peace studies which are catching on in a lot of my country are basically studies that say: what we want is peace in the neighborhood, not a war on crime. People want to live in a peaceful neighborhood, they don't want to live in a place with gunfire going on over their heads, they don't want military police in their lives, they really would like a place where we can trust our neighbors, where we can interact with each other, where we can revel in our differences. That takes a completely different approach, and we are starting those approaches, community policing which is growing world wide, basically good people in the neighborhood, seeing what they have in common, looking at the problems in the neighborhood, and solving those problems with the neighbors and the social services and the police. Law enforcement and other community groups are working in partnership to do that, and if we do that, then we can prevent crime instead of having to catch criminals. We are terrible at catching criminals; we catch hardly any criminals; even with as many people as we have, if we counted all the criminals who would be imprisoned, how many would we have. If we spent all our lifetime just trying to stop criminals, we would always be behind. Reactive approaches don't work; we need a proactive approach, that means identifying crime, reading situations and doing something about them.

Obviously high technology has a place there. I think that a modicum of surveillance is reasonable. For instance, it is accepted now that many cities in Europe, and cities like Baltimore in the USA, have surveillance cameras in public places. People can monitor these digital cameras more easily and even use key words to see what they are looking for without having to go through all the footage. I think that is reasonable in public places. One of the problems we have in our country is that it is used more in private places than in public places because it is business which is using these to spy on their employees, even putting them in restrooms saying, well, that is where they take drugs and we don't want them to take drugs because that costs us dollars and lowers productivity. I am not sure I think that is reasonable. I think technology has a place, but I think it has to be limited by law, it has to be limited to public places.

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Question 5
What can we do today in order to combat crime and violence without relying so heavily on this technology? How do you envision a relatively crime free society in the future?

Answer
I really do think that the paradigm shift I talked about briefly is something we have to do, and there are groups of us selling it. For instance, I belong to a group called Police Futurists International, grouping police officers and researchers from around the world, and one of the things we do is sell the community model. We are saying that the crime problem is a community problem, not a state problem, not a government problem, and basically we have to go into that community, assess what the crime problem is, what is causing that problem, what the problem might be tomorrow, so that we might take action, and then do something about it. Again that takes partnerships, and it takes something that has been very difficult for police around the world: sharing power with the people. Police, at least modern policing, started in London in 1929, and was designed to maintain peace in the community. We are saying: let's go back to the original model and get away from the war model, get away from the idea that we are professionals who enforce the law against all comers and say: we're here to assess what the real problems are in the community, some of them will be legal, some will be extralegal, but we need to solve those problems. Part of the problem is creating a community. We have a lot of people who live in buildings that don't know the people who live across the hall and they explode. So we have to actually create a community in many cases. People who don't know each other distrust each other almost automatically. So we need to get them familiar with each other, we need to create communities, and then we need to find out what we have in common, and play on that. The alternative is unthinkable: that we rely on impersonal high technology to keep us safe. I have read 1984, I have my students read Brave New World, etc., and I don't really think that is acceptable. What scares me is that my students like Brave New World, and as long as they are alphas, they want to live in it. I found it scary that we have come to that point, because fifteen years ago when I was teaching this, there was not a student in my class who wanted be part of Brave New World.

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Question 6
We have been dealing with what might be done, and with what should be done. In your opinion, or as you can forecast, what will be done?

Answer
I think the problem is that we have two totally dichotomic models going on, the war model and the peace model. We have people who have a great stake in the war model. They have used it for years, they have been successful with it, they have lived by raising fears in the public. The way to keep the war model going is to lead the public to believe that they are going to be attacked in their sleep if they don't give us money and resources. And they have been very successful in getting resources by pushing the war model. So it's hard to get the change made. However, the leaders in Police Futurists International see the need to move away from fearmongering and toward bringing peace. I believe that the fear of crime is as big as the problem of crime in many areas, because people are afraid to go outside, they lock themselves behind doors, they don't interact with other people, they don't take part to social events. This is a quality of life issue. What fun is living behind closed doors and fear; and if we had the high tech, it might allow you to go out, but then you would be in fear for your privacy. I would not be able to do what I wanted, I would have to do what they expected of me. So, either way you've got fear. We have to get away from – and I believe we will – towards a restored justice model in this country. People are saying, when a crime does occur, what we ought to do is make restitution to the individual and to the community, and then seek for a reconciliation of the offender and the community. Some people see this as an old model, but the rehabilitation model was not like that: it put the emphasis on how to change the offender. This is saying no, the offender must pay, through restitution to the victim and the community, but then we should consider the offender as a member of the community, who needs to be helped to move back into the community. One of the big problems we have today is that, because of this fear of the mean world out there, even when people finish their sentence and they pay their debts to society, we now want to tell everybody in their community who they are and where they moved, so that we can identify them. Secondly, we don't give them a job, and certainly don't give them a chance, don't let them go to school with our children, etc. We are not willing to forgive. It is so funny that a nation like mine, supposedly born out of Christianity and the Christian model, is probably one of the least forgiving nations in the world.

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