Digital library (interview) RAI Educational

Walt Mossberg

Cannes-Milia 2/11/97

"The Wall Street Journal online"

SUMMARY:

  • New services offered by technologies such as the Internet and e-mail have greatly changed the way journalists work (1).
  • But journalists must be careful to check sources on the Net because it is very easy to take a false identity (2).
  • To avoid information overload you must be very selective. Intelligent agents can help but there is a danger that people will concentrate on narrow interests and lose the overall picture which a newspaper gives (3).
  • Computers can be addictive. You have to find a balance and parents have to make sure their children do other things (4).
  • The PC will never be a mass market device because it’s too expensive, complicated and breaks down all the time. In order to liberate digital content from the PC there must be other cheaper simpler devices such as information appliances, boxes that bring the Internet into the TV (5).
  • such as Web TV and NetBox (6).
  • No single device or company will win: the real winner will be the consumer as the wonderfully creative content which is being produced becomes available to everyone (7).
  • President Clinton’s vision of getting everyone wired to the Internet will be achieved with or without today’s kind of PCs. There are simpler, cheaper devices that can be used (8).
  • The key to a newspaper on-line is to give the reader everything that is in the paper and more. You have to update the paper constantly and allow the reader to go behind the story to get a lot more information (9).

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INTERVIEW:

Question 1
Mr. Mossberg, you have become famous with your column on personal technology in the Wall Street Journal. How has the role of journalists and their work changed with technology?

Answer
It’s been a very big change because we, of course, do all of our work now on a computer and we have access to a tremendous number of information sources that were very time-consuming in the past to get. Particularly with the Internet, you can look up practically anything in a very short period of time. The other thing that’s very good for journalists is electronic mail. It’s become a very good way to get to people who are very busy. Sometimes it’s impossible to get somebody important on the telephone for an interview, but it’s very possible to get them through e-mail, at least in the United States now. So the technology has changed the work of journalists tremendously.

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Question 2
How can you verify the source on the Internet? There is the problem of false identity.

Answer
It’s true. If you get into a digital conversation with somebody, particularly if it’s not a well-known person and you don’t know if their e-mail address is accurate or their name. At the Wall Street Journal we have rules that say you must pick up the telephone and confirm the identity of the person before you print the thing. So we now have a rule that says that if you are using an example from a person that you find on the Internet, you have to telephone them and verify their identity, because it’s of course possible and common that people take false identities on the Internet. So you’re right. We have to be careful of that.

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Question 3
What are your impressions of the problem of information overload, not only for journalists, but also for businessmen and people in general?

Answer
I think that the way that you deal with information overload is you just have to be very brutal and selective in what you read and what you see. And again, sometimes technology can help you with that. You can set filters or what they call agents to just say: I only want to see things on this topic or that company or person or issue. The risk of that is that people will just get into these narrow paths where all they want to know is things about the chemical industry or things about basketball or a certain company or a certain cultural issue. I think you lose what you traditionally had with newspapers, which is that you can glance through the paper and maybe learn something on a topic you wouldn’t have anticipated and actually could change your life or it could have a good impact on society or make you rich. You lose that accidental factor.

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Question 4
You don’t fear real experience being replaced by a virtual life on the Net?

Answer
I have children and in our family they’re only allowed to be on the computer a certain number of hours. They have to go outside the house and meet real people and do real things. I think it’s like everything else in life. You need to achieve some balance. If you don’t ever go in person to a football game and you just follow it on the computer, that’s not good. People already don’t go to the football game and just watch it on TV, so I think you do have to strike a balance. The difficulty with the computer is it’s very bewitching. It’s very addictive. You can actually be in contact with people without ever leaving the house. So there is a tendency, I think, to go to extremes sometimes. You just have to run your life in a sensible way and, particularly if you’re a parent, I think you have to throw the kids out of the house.

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Question 5
What does liberating the digital content from the PC, the title of your speech at Milia, mean?

Answer
Well, here at the Milia conference most of the people attending are not technology people. They are people who create content, cultural content, entertainment, information, education, news, whatever it is. Right now, if you’re creating digital content, either on CD ROM or over the Internet, the only people in the world who can actually see what you have done are people with the money and the technical skills to operate a PC. My contention is that the PC will never be a mass market device. It will never get to the kind of penetration that television has because it’s too expensive and it’s too complicated and it breaks down all the time. So the way to liberate digital content from the PC is for us to be able to use other devices, much cheaper, much simpler but which could bring all the richness of this content. In our discussion here at Milia, we were talking about the first of these devices, which I call information appliances. These are boxes that go on your TV set and bring the Internet into the TV.

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Question 6
Web TV?

Answer
One of them is called Web TV. It’s an American product and it’s on the market in the States right now. Even though it’s an American-designed product, Sony and Philips have licensed it and they are selling them in the States. But we also have a new European product very similar that is just being unveiled here at Milia called Netbox. It’s a French company. They’re about the same thing. It’s about US$300. It sits on top of your TV, plugs into a telephone, and automatically connects you to the Internet. Right from your TV screen you can do e-mail or surf the Web, and then just click the remote and you’re watching RAI.

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Question 7
So you don’t believe in the guidelines of Intel about the fat PC which will replace the television.

Answer
Well, I don’t believe in any one thing being the winner in this. The mass market PC is 20 years old this year. It’s been a fabulous invention. It’s got a long life ahead of it. It’s been a lot to me and to a lot of my readers. I just don’t think it’s a mass market device. Even in the US where it has really been more successful than anywhere else, only about one third of the homes have a PC, and of those only about half of them are on the Internet or are on-line. Unless the PC is redefined and redesigned, there’s an upper limit to what it will do. I think one of the things that’s going to happen from this new competition, from these Web TV devices and other things, is that Intel and other companies are going to rethink the PC itself. I think, hopefully, they will make it more reliable and simpler and somewhat less expensive. The winner in all this - we can worry about what company wins, what company loses - but the winner is the consumer. When you get this kind of competition and you get different countries involved in the technology, in the end I think that the consumer wins, and this wonderfully creative content we see on display here at Milia will become more available to more people.

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Question 8
But in the last State of the Union address, President Clinton said that every 12-year-old child will have a PC at school. So the next generation will widely use the PC.

Answer
Well, I think what he said was that every child of 12 or older should be able to get onto the Internet. And I believe that, in fact, achieving that goal in the US and in other countries will be much easier with devices that are simpler than the PC. I’ll give you an example. Apple Computer, which is having a lot of trouble in the PC market, has just introduced a product in the US called E-Mate. It’s based on the technology that they developed for the Newton, the hand-held device, but it has a keyboard. It’s meant for schools. It’s about US$600 apiece and it connects to the Internet. Well, if you’re a school in New York or somewhere, it costs you way too much money to give every child a computer, even with President Clinton’s prediction. But if you can give them a US$600 or US$500 device that also lets them get on the Internet, then you may be able to achieve the goal more easily. So I think his vision of getting everyone wired to the Internet will be achieved with or without today’s kind of PCs. There are other things that we can use to get there.

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Question 9
What kind of design, form and content must an on-line newspaper have, a digital newspaper, to be successful?

Answer
It’s a great question about newspapers on-line, and it’s maybe too early to know for sure. What I personally think right now is that the key to a newspaper on-line is to give the reader everything that’s in the paper, because they feel cheated if they don’t get everything that’s in the paper. But you have to give them more. You have to update the paper constantly throughout the day and the night, and you have to let them what I call "drill down" past the story to get a lot more content. There are a number of good examples to this. One is our newspaper, the Wall Street Journal. We have 35 editors who only work on the Web edition of our paper. If you are reading a story there and you see a reference to a company, let’s say Intel, you can click on that and you don’t go to the Intel website, you get a tremendous amount of journalistic information about Intel, past stories about it, what their earnings have been lately, how their stock is doing. There are a lot of other newspaper sites that are putting a lot of that additional material in. If they report on a speech by somebody, you get the whole speech if you’d like to see it. Most of the time, most newspapers can’t tape or can’t print that. So to me that’s part of the key work. At the journal we charge US$50 a year , a whole year for US$50, to get it.

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