Digital library (interview) RAI Educational

Philip Glass

Naples, 06-11-98

"Monsters of Grace: a three-dimensional musical spectacle"

SUMMARY:

  • Monsters of Grace can be performed by a handful of musicians and a few singers. Digital animated pictures are projected by a camera and viewed through glasses to make a 3-D effect. Glass wanted a piece that could be moved easily from one city to another. 3-D images change the dimensions of the stage so the relationship of the audience to the picture of the stage is very different from that of a normal theatre (1).
  • Glass used the verses of Rumi because he finds his way of thinking very contemporary. He talks about ordinary things in a way that everyone can understand, yet with a mystical interpretation which is appealing today (2).
  • In Einstein on the Beach, written about 24 years ago, the voice is used like an instrument without any feeling for the vocal quality. In Monsters of Grace, the series of scenes appear like songs, and the vocal instrument becomes the main subject of the piece (3).
  • Technology must be in the service of the aesthetic or emotion of the piece. When used in this way, it can have a powerful impact on the audience (4).
  • 3-D technology is one new way to make a new language for theatre, although not the only way. Theatre should be in the forefront of creating a language for artistic expression (5).
  • Glass also performs concerts of just piano music and operas for conventional opera houses. He likes to move from a traditional form to a high technical form (6).
  • As one of the performers of Monsters of Grace, and with about 30 years of experience behind him, he is able to measure the impact of the piece on the audience very easily (7).
  • Minimalism was a historical period that was interesting but it has not been an important movement for about 25 years (8).
  • Electronic technology has expanded the palette of sounds that are available for us. Monsters of Grace uses samples of instruments from Persia, Turkey and the Middle East (9).
  • The relationship of the artist to the public is crucial: if the audience is not there, there is no need to make the pieces. However, sometimes a piece may be challenging, and the audience has to learn to look or hear in a different way (10).
  • The idea of spirituality and art is not an invention of modern artists. Spirituality is present in the works of Bruckner, Bach, Mahler and Stravinsky. Ravi Shankar, a great sitar player, thinks of his music as being of an especially religious character. We may call it New Age, but in fact it has been around for a long time (11).

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INTERVIEW:

Question 1
Mr. Glass, can you describe how you created this work?

Answer
I began working with Bob Wilson about 4 years ago, discussing the general ideas of the piece, which was to be a combination of image and music, that didn’t tell a particular story. As the ideas evolved we used the idea of a digital animated picture that could be projected by a camera and that could be viewed through glasses to make a 3-D effect. Partly that was so that we could move easily from one city to another with the same piece and it would look the same. Secondly, it changes the dimensions of the stage, so that the depth of the stage are very far back and things appear to come out in front of the audience. So the whole relationship of the audience to the picture of the stage is very different from what you would find in a normal theatre.

Bob Wilson and I have done a number of pieces over the years, most of them for big opera houses, so that made it very hard for the pieces to travel. I wanted to do a piece that could go to many different cities, a piece that would be portable, so I could take a handful of musicians and a few singers with me. So the idea was to do a piece of music theatre that could travel easily to many different houses.

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Question 2
Why did you choose Rumi? Did you think he was a contemporary poet?

Answer
I picked the verses of Rumi because his way of thinking seems so contemporary to me. It seems so modern. He talks about changing the ordinary world into a kind of magical place, he talks about love, he talks about the love of human beings, he talks about a kind of divine love, he talks about ordinary things in a way that I think we all understand, and yet at the same time he gives them a kind of a mystical interpretation which is very appealing to us today. The translations I used were by a very gifted American poet named Coleman Barks, who was able to take the ideas and present them in a very contemporary way.

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Question 3
What is the difference between this work and your previous works, especially between Monsters Of Grace and Einstein on the Beach, for example?

Answer
When I compare this work to a work like Einstein on the Beach, first of all we have to say that Einstein was written about 24 years ago. So there is a big difference of time. I think the main difference in this piece is the way the voice is used and the way the text is used. In this case, the series of scenes appear very much like songs, and the vocal instrument becomes the main subject of the piece, whereas in Einstein, the voice is really used like an instrument without any feeling for the vocal quality of it. Secondly, Einstein does not really have a specific text; it was texts that were made up for the occasion. But here the text really focuses on the idea of the ordinary world and the transformation of the world.

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Question 4
Do you think that art makes technology warmer, more real, that gives it life and soul?

Answer
Working with new technology is a challenge because it is a great gift in a way, but at the same time we have to use the technology to enhance the work. In other words, I think of the technology as in the service of the message of the piece, of the aesthetic of the piece, or of the emotion of the piece. If that was not the main thing, then the technology would not help us. But when used in this way, then the technology - in this case a 3-D image - can have a powerful impact on the audience.

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Question 5
So you think that 3-D computer technology can produce new meanings, new artistic languages?

Answer
I think that 3-D technology is certainly one new way to make a new language for theatre. I don’t think it is the only way, and I think there will be many experiments in the coming years to find a way to make the theatre part of the world today. Theatre should not be a museum, just showing old works, but should be in the forefront of creating a language for artistic expression, for the world that we live in. I think that this kind of 3-D is one way. But I think there will be many other ways.

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Question 6
Do you think that contemporary artists are really influenced by new technology?

Answer
Not always. I also do concerts of just piano music where the technology is the piano. The concert grand piano is a very advanced kind of technology, but we don’t think of it as technology because it doesn’t have wires in it and is not electrified. But I have also done operas for a conventional opera house that does not use any technology at all. So that is only one of the ways that I work but I would like to go from traditional form to a high technical form. I think that both ways are available for me.

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Question 7
What is the impact of your work on the audience?

Answer
I can feel very much the intensity of the audience when I perform this work. I think it is important to point out that I am one of the performers, I am playing the piano. So every night the work is performed I am there. I am there; the audience is there, so that I measure very easily the impact on the audience. And I have been doing this maybe for about 30 years and have become very sensitive to the reaction of the audience.

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Question 8
Do you still believe in minimalism? Is it still the music of the future?

Answer
No! I don’t think so. I think the last minimalist piece that I wrote was Einstein on the Beach, which was in the early 1970s. I think it was a historical period that was interesting but I think it has not been current as an important movement for around 25 years.

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Question 9
And how do you see the future of electronic music, music played with electronic instruments.

Answer
Electronic technology has allowed us a big range in our instruments that was not there before. For example, in Monsters of Grace, you are hearing instruments which are actually not on the stage. We have taken samples of instruments from Persia, from Turkey, from the Middle East, and they appear in the music but on normal keyboards, electronic keyboards. That is just one example of how our technology has expanded the palette of sounds that are available for us. And there are many other ways that technology can expand the sonic world of the composer.

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Question 10
In Monsters of Grace, the audience is in the middle of a sensorial world that looks touchable. Is that why you think that art belongs more to the public than to its maker?

Answer
I think that the relationship of the artist, of the creator, to the public is crucial. I think the work that we make is the channel through which the communication is made. In a certain way, it is written especially for the audience. If the audience is not there, there is no need for me to make these pieces. That does not mean that I make the easiest piece possible for the audience. Sometimes the pieces are challenging for the audience, and the audience has to learn to look in a different way or maybe learn to hear in a different way. But the main thing is the interaction of the audience with the work, and so for me that is the primary goal.

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Question 11
What do you think about the contemporary need of new values, of spirituality, mysticism, New Age for example?

Answer
Well, we talk about the new kind of spiritualism of art or the New Age of today. It looks to me like it was always there. If I look at the work of Bruckner or Bach or Mahler or Stravinsky, these are men who were very religious in their outlook. Mahler had a kind of devotion to nature, to the world in its natural form. Bruckner thought of his work as being religious. I was recently in Rome and I went to see the Sistine Chapel. So this idea of spirituality and art is not a special invention of modern artists. A very close friend of mine, Ravi Shankar, who is a great sitar player, an Indian classical instrument, is an older man now and has spent his life devoted to music, but he thinks of his music as being of an especially religious character. We can call it New Age, but in fact it has been around for a long time.

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