Digital library (interview) RAI Educational

Mayer Gabay

Napoli - OMPI FORUM, 19/10/95

"Author's and moral rights on the digital field"

SUMMARY:

  • Through the Internet it is difficult to know who the author of the work is. Legally it is very important to know who is the author, who has the rights and who is using the work. Traditionally you would apply the law of the country in which the infringement took place. But now since we do not know who the author is - and there may be many - you might have to apply the laws of many countries, so it's very important to establish internationally. In principle we can say in the case of Internet, the law of country where the subject is being discussed should be applied (1).
  • We need co-operation between countries. However, we don't have to reinvent the wheel because the duty of international conventions such as the Bern Convention on Intellectual Property or the laws of copyright in various countries, the principles of law, have been established many years ago. So we don't always have to think in terms of new concepts but rather how to adjust the existing concepts through new technologies (2).
  • The problem of moral rights and integrity of data in the digital domain is very important. For example, someone is connected with the Louvre or with the British Museum via the Internet and obtains a copy of a Picasso painting and makes changes to the picture. He circulates this new work of his to different people. He has changed the work and thus has he infringed on the moral right of Picasso ? He has infringed the economic right of the author by circulating or distributing his new work. So you have here a combination of copyright issues that are involved in the Internet because for the first time it's possible for this person to get the painting, to put it through the Internet system, and to recirculate it in a different way (3).
  • You have to think in terms of making possible for consumers to get these products in a visible way but at the same time you must observe the right of the author, be it through the traditional system of copyright or through the more technological system of producing new copies, but again they must also be protected by the principle of copyright (4).

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INTERVIEW:

Question 1
What are according the specific legal aspects involved with Internet, in your opinion ?

Answer
There are many issues. Through the Internet it's quite difficult to know who the author of the work is because many people invest in that process and logically you have also many people involved in receiving at the same time. Legally speaking it is very important to know who is the author, who has the rights and who is using the work. Traditionally you would apply the law of the country in which the infringement took place. If the right of the authors are infringed, then you will use the country's law only if they have accepted international treatment, that is to say, the country that has the rights would assimilate the rights and its laws and apply the rights of its own country to the author. But now since we don't know who the author is and there might be many authors, you might have to apply the laws of many countries, so it's very important to establish internationally. In principle we can say in the case of Internet, the law of the particular country should be applied. For instance, the law of country where the subject is being discussed. And not any other principle.

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Question 2
So we need co-operation between many countries...

Answer
We need co-operation between countries. However, I'd like to emphasise that we don't have to reinvent the wheel because the duty of international conventions such as the Bern Convention on Intellectual Property or the laws of copyright in various countries, the principles of law, have been established many years ago, many at the end of the last century and at the beginning of this century. Therefore, we have been able to adjust new technologies to these old concepts, so we don't always have to think in terms of new concepts but rather how to adjust the existing concepts through new technologies. If you take the question of copying for instance, the Xerox. Is it different copying with Xerox or copying with computers? Maybe it's the same. You have additional copies that are infringing the right of the author and you just have to apply the principle that copying without the consent of the author is illegal, so we may need some adjustments and the international organisation in this area of the World Intellectual Property Organisation is having a system of discussions, a series of discussions on the organisation of laws in different countries and we may need some adjustments but I think that the main outcome is that while we have here technological revolution, it's a revolution in technology, it's not necessarily a revolution in law and the basic laws that exist both internationally and nationally might be adjusted to this new technology.

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Question 3
Can you tell us something with regard to moral rights and integrity of data in the digital domain?

Answer
Well, this is a very important issue. It's an example of a person who is involved with the Internet and is connected with the Louvre in Paris or with the British Museum and he obtains a copy of a Picasso painting and then he makes changes to the picture. And then he circulates this new work of his to different persons. There are a number of issues. First of all is the integrity of the work. He has changed the work and thus has he infringed on the moral right of Picasso? Assuming that his works are still protected . And then he has infringed the economic right of the author by circulating or distributing his new work. So you have here a combination of copyright issues that are involved in the Internet because for the first time it's possible for this person to get the painting, to put it through the Internet system, and to recirculate it in a different way. So one can consider this of course as new copies, but of course they are not the same. This is one of the issues that I have mentioned that we have always been thinking in terms of new copies of existing works. Now here you don't have tangible copies; they exist only on the computer. At the same time it is a copy that has been distributed without the consent of the painter or the author.

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Question 4
Do you believe that the law should try to facilitate a market that is growing today. With regard to CD-ROM for example, some say it is very difficult to create new programs, new titles because of the legal difficulties that are involved.

Answer
Well, you see this is the issue of the copyright system that because you always have on the one hand the rights of the consumers to buy these documents or these editions in a cheaper way, but at the same time we have to conserve and preserve the right of the author because this is his property and many people find it difficult to realise that intellectual property is property as much as a house of a man or other forms of property. This is something that the author is entitle to receive remuneration for. So one cannot only think in terms of the consumers. You have to think in terms of making possible for consumers who get these products in a visible way but at the same time you must observe the right of the author be it through the traditional system of copyright or through the more technological system of producing new copies, but again they must also be protected by the principle of copyright.

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